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Is sawfish dead yet? #53

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gtusr opened this issue Apr 5, 2023 · 14 comments
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Is sawfish dead yet? #53

gtusr opened this issue Apr 5, 2023 · 14 comments

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gtusr commented Apr 5, 2023

If so, what's the next best option?

@RobertZenz
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I'd see Sawfish as pretty much feature-complete, therefor there aren't that many releases outside of bug fixes (that and the maintainers ain't got that much time, as far as I'm aware). Are you encountering a bug or problem that needs fixing?

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salewski commented Apr 18, 2023 via email

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gtusr commented Apr 21, 2023

Are you encountering a bug or problem that needs fixing?

Just wondering if there are any limitations to using Sawfish directly on top of Wayland without installing a full desktop environment like Gnome or KDE?

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Just wondering if there are any limitations to using Sawfish directly on top of Wayland without installing a full desktop environment like Gnome or KDE?

Well, you got this wrong. You see, every Wayland advocate will happily tell you that "Wayland is just a protocol", and that's true. There's a "reference" compositor which is called Weston, which is bare-bones, and everything else is left to everyone else. To "support Wayland" one must implement a complete Wayland compositor, that includes implementing and handling of rendering, hardware acceleration, input, clipboard, window management, screenshots, capturing of the desktop for streaming and so on. In short, every Wayland compositor must basically implement all the functionality which is currently provided by the X.org server. In my opinion, the big Wayland motto is "It's somebody elses problem now", because that is exactly what it is, Wayland is just a protocol, everyone must implement everything. If there is no Wayland protocol for something, then the compositors are left to their own devices to implement that functionality, which means that all the Wayland clients (GUI frameworks) must implement that compositor specific function, and so on. Additionally, GNOME slightly disagrees on a few key functionalities (window decorations), which makes it a little bit worse for everyone.

So the questions "when will Wayland support Sawfish?" or "when will Sawfish support Wayland?" are incorrect, the correct question is "when will someone write a complete Wayland compositor (including rendering, hardware acceleration, input, clipboard, window management, screenshots, capturing of the desktop for streaming and so on) which will behave like Sawfish?"...I guess we all know the answer to that one.

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@op: Don't abuse issue trackers to chat. That will annoy developers. Use reddit or so instead.

That said, how about qtile? It's written in python, and supports wayland. Other "configurable" and/or hackable wm/wayland compositor is xmonad/waymonad, but it's in haskell, not recommendable for most.

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@Navaneethan3
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Is anyone using sawfish window manager here on debian 12?I have xfce as default desktop environment. I installed sawfish window manager.based on sawfish wikihttps://sawfish.fandom.com/wiki/User_Guide I need to add these lines:-

xscreensaver -no-splash &
sawfish &
xfce-mcs-manager
xfce4-panel &
exec xfdesktop
To /.xsession file. Where in xsessions file should I need to add? After which line?.Is the above mentioned the only step i have to do to make sawfish working with xfce?

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salewski commented Sep 23, 2024 via email

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Navaneethan3 commented Sep 29, 2024

@salewski which desktop environment you use?

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salewski commented Sep 30, 2024 via email

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Can anyone please tell me how to join the mailing list?

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RobertZenz commented Dec 9, 2024

Seems like tuxfamily.org is experiencing some problems. You should be able to subscribe by sending an e-mail to [email protected] with the subject "subscribe". However, the last mail that seemed to have gone through the mailing list was in March. I'm not sure whether it is still working and parts of tuxfamily.org seem to be down.

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Can anyone please tell me which lisp variant is used in sawfish window manager?

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OK so tuxfamily mail subscriber server is down.

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Can anyone please tell me which lisp variant is used in sawfish window manager?

librep

OK so tuxfamily mail subscriber server is down.

That's unfortunate. Looking at the website, I'm afraid that it will stay down.

The #sawfish channel on irc.freenode.net is not populated anymore, either, however, there seem to be people in #sawfish on irc.libera.chat, you could try hopping over there and have a chat with them.

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