Can't select service road

[NeatNit]

I tried to edit this relation: https://relatify.monicz.dev/?relation=15865883&load=1#map=19/32.793268/34.958660

The first few ways in the relation are apparently marked highway=service + service=bus. When loaded into realtify, these ways are removed and impossible to select.

I thought it might be because of access=no but I added bus=designated to the roads and it still wouldn't load. I figured before I mess around more I should ask - how is this supposed to work?

Also, I think it's very alarming that Realtify silently removes roads that are already in the relation. It shouldn't remove data, certainly not silently.

Edit: although let me say, this is my first time using Realtify and despite this experience it looks like an amazing tool! Well done!

[Zaczero]

Is service=bus a proper tagging? First time hearing of it (I'm on mobile and can't check myself). 😜

[NeatNit]

I have no idea, probably not, but that's how it was tagged. Do you operate on a whitelist? I expected a blacklist based on your reply in #2.

Edit: the wiki allows user-defined values for service=*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service#Highways

[mutipg]

I don't see a problem in 'Relatify' with the first ways of the bus route.

After adding the bus=designated tag, did you wait a few minutes for the data to propagate in the OSM database?

[Zaczero]

Now that I'm at my desktop, I can confirm that this tagging shouldn't be causing problems:

osm-relatify/overpass.py

Lines 169 to 174 in 91d26e5

	service_valid = tags.get('service', 'no') not in {
	'driveway',
	'parking_aisle',
	'alley',
	'emergency_access',
	}

Only 4 values are explicitly blacklisted 🙂.

As @mutipg said: it's possible this was a data synchronization delay issue (Relatify uses Overpass to fetch data).

[NeatNit]

After adding the bus=designated tag, did you wait a few minutes for the data to propagate in the OSM database?

This might have been it. Whoops! Seems like that is working correctly.

But still, I want to reiterate this:

Also, I think it's very alarming that Realtify silently removes roads that are already in the relation. It shouldn't remove data, certainly not silently.

[Zaczero]

There is a validation system in Relatify that will notify you if the relation seems weird: if stops are not reached, if path is not continuous (missing ways), if stops are far away from the road, and a few others..

I haven't seen this being an issue 😊👍

[RobinLinde]

I don't exactly know how this works out worldwide, but in my local area there's quite some bus lines that actually use parking aisles in their route, mostly to get closer to shopping centres or to turn around. Seems mostly a thing for buurtbus (really can't find a translation) lines.
Thus, when starting to edit those I usually see problems like this:

[mutipg]

If your bus route is using highway=service + service=* ways than you have to add extra tag bus=yes to them - in your example @RobinLinde you have to update this way with bus=yes tag. Wait 3 minutes and this way will be selectable in Relatify.