+
+
+ How do we make people more aware of their personal data?
+
+
+ Doc:
+ We
+ have
+ two
+ selves
+ in
+ the
+ world
+ at
+ any
+ given
+ time
+ now.
+ We
+ have
+ the
+ physical
+ self,
+ our
+ flesh
+ and
+ blood,
+ our
+ voice,
+ our
+ presence
+ in
+ the
+ world
+ which
+ extends
+ beyond
+ our
+ bodies
+ but
+ lives
+ in
+ this
+ physical
+ space.
+ There's
+ this
+ other
+ space,
+ we
+ started
+ calling
+ cyberspace
+ a
+ long
+ time
+ ago,
+ but
+ it's
+ a
+ real
+ thing.
+ It's
+ a
+ data
+ space.
+
+
+ Julian:
+ We
+ are
+ as
+ people
+ quite
+ often
+ data
+ illiterate.
+ We
+ don't
+ realise
+ the
+ impact
+ of
+ what
+ data
+ has
+ on
+ our
+ lives,
+ we
+ don't
+ realise
+ what
+ we're
+ giving
+ and
+ why
+ we
+ don't
+ realise
+ the
+ mechanisms
+ that
+ will
+ enable
+ us
+ to
+ re-empower
+ ourselves
+ in
+ this
+ environment.
+
+
+ Adrian:
+ Security
+ and
+ privacy,
+ they
+ are
+ issues
+ people
+ do
+ care
+ about
+ them
+ and
+ we
+ need
+ to,
+ we
+ should
+ address
+ them.
+
+
+ Alexandra:
+ I
+ think
+ unfortunately
+ at
+ the
+ minute
+ we
+ make
+ people
+ aware
+ of
+ their
+ personal
+ data
+ when
+ terrible
+ things
+ happen.
+
+
+ Aleks:
+ It's
+ going
+ to
+ take
+ personal
+ experiences
+ of
+ falling
+ over,
+ some
+ kind
+ of
+ truly
+ horrific
+ experience
+ before
+ people
+ actually
+ feel
+ that
+ they
+ are
+ compelled
+ to
+ be
+ educated
+ about
+ this.
+
+
+ Alexandra:
+ And
+ I
+ think
+ there's
+ two
+ pieces
+ of
+ data.
+ People
+ feel
+ very
+ strongly
+ about,
+ one
+ is
+ health
+ care
+ and
+ the
+ other
+ one
+ is
+ banking.
+ So
+ if
+ you
+ touch
+ those
+ two
+ areas,
+ the
+ reaction
+ is
+ extremely
+ strong
+ because
+ they
+ feel
+ that
+ it
+ sort
+ of
+ touches
+ something
+ that
+ they
+ should
+ be
+ in
+ complete
+ control
+ of.
+
+
+ Doug:
+ The
+ Internet
+ is
+ manmade
+ and
+ everything
+ you
+ put
+ online
+ is
+ recoverable.
+ There
+ are
+ world-class
+ security
+ experts,
+ but
+ there
+ are
+ still
+ people
+ who
+ are
+ stealing
+ money
+ from
+ bank
+ accounts.
+
+
+ Adrian:
+ As
+ technologists
+ we
+ we
+ have
+ a
+ duty
+ to
+ try
+ to
+ explain
+ these
+ things
+ to
+ people
+ and
+ to
+ try
+ to
+ get
+ across,
+ you
+ know,
+ find
+ ways
+ to
+ make
+ it
+ real
+ and
+ make
+ it
+ make
+ sense
+ and
+ we
+ need
+ more
+ examples
+ and
+ better
+ education.
+
+
+ Julian:
+ We
+ need
+ to
+ create
+ a
+ more
+ informed
+ debate
+ about
+ data,
+ especially
+ the
+ value
+ of
+ data.
+ The
+ value
+ of
+ data
+ as
+ individuals
+ and
+ the
+ value
+ of
+ data
+ aggregated.
+
+
+ What are the disadvantages of managing your own data?
+
+
+ Doc:
+ Right
+ now
+ there's
+ more
+ talk
+ than
+ ever
+ about
+ owning
+ your
+ own
+ data,
+ because
+ there
+ are
+ so
+ many
+ companies
+ out
+ there
+ that
+ are
+ gathering
+ data
+ about
+ us,
+ that
+ we
+ don't
+ own
+ at
+ all,
+ that
+ we
+ don't
+ control
+ at
+ all.
+
+
+ Glyn:
+ So
+ if
+ we're
+ trying
+ to
+ manage
+ your
+ own
+ data,
+ one
+ of
+ the
+ problems
+ with
+ this
+ is
+ you
+ don't
+ necessarily
+ know
+ what
+ data
+ you're
+ giving
+ to
+ other
+ people.
+ So
+ lacking
+ information
+ and
+ lacking
+ in
+ any
+ way
+ of
+ finding
+ out
+ that
+ information.
+
+
+ Jon:
+ So
+ I
+ actually
+ want
+ it
+ to
+ be
+ in
+ the
+ hands
+ of
+ agencies
+ that
+ are
+ going
+ to
+ do
+ good
+ with
+ that
+ that
+ can
+ maybe
+ use
+ my
+ data
+ in
+ comparison
+ to
+ millions
+ of
+ other
+ people's
+ data
+ to
+ find
+ trends,
+ or
+ to
+ find
+ specifics
+ about
+ me.
+ So
+ yeah
+ we
+ needed
+ it
+ to
+ be
+ out
+ there
+ in
+ order
+ to
+ make
+ it
+ work,
+ and
+ that's
+ where
+ the
+ tension
+ comes
+ in
+ because
+ as
+ soon
+ as
+ I
+ agree
+ for
+ it
+ to
+ be
+ out
+ there,
+ and
+ allow
+ it
+ to
+ be
+ worked
+ on
+ it's
+ a
+ bit
+ like
+ having
+ a
+ house
+ party
+ when
+ I
+ was
+ seventeen
+ and
+ said,
+ everybody's
+ welcome.
+ Well
+ they
+ were
+ until
+ it
+ got
+ a
+ bit
+ out
+ of
+ hand
+ and
+ you
+ know
+ with
+ that
+ story
+ goes.
+
+
+ Jeni:
+ I
+ think
+ that,
+ I
+ think
+ that
+ there
+ are
+ very
+ few
+ people
+ who
+ are
+ willing
+ to
+ sacrifice
+ as
+ much
+ as
+ it
+ would
+ actually
+ take
+ me
+ to
+ not
+ be
+ monitored
+ and
+ surveilled
+ at
+ all.
+
+
+ What kind of help is available for people to manage their own data?
+
+
+ Jon:
+ We
+ need
+ to
+ move
+ the
+ debate
+ beyond
+ a
+ discussion
+ about
+ what
+ it
+ can
+ be
+ in
+ a
+ commercial
+ realm
+ into
+ activity
+ in
+ the
+ ordinary
+ domestic
+ role.
+
+
+ Alexandra:
+ I
+ think
+ we
+ should
+ be
+ educating
+ people
+ about
+ data
+ through
+ building
+ partnerships
+ with
+ the
+ companies
+ who
+ are
+ involved
+ in
+ selling
+ those
+ products.
+
+
+ Doug:
+ I
+ think
+ we
+ already
+ have
+ a
+ middleman
+ for
+ open
+ data
+ in
+ an
+ institution
+ that's
+ been
+ recently
+ created
+ the
+ Open
+ Data
+ Institute,
+ co-founded
+ by
+ Tim
+ Berners-Lee
+ and
+ Gavin
+ Starkson,
+ there's
+ some
+ fantastic
+ people
+ that
+ created
+ an
+ accreditation
+ system.
+
+
+ Doc:
+ What's
+ going
+ to
+ happen
+ in
+ the
+ long
+ run
+ is
+ that
+ people
+ will
+ have
+ control
+ over
+ their
+ personal
+ data
+ because
+ they'll
+ know
+ better
+ what
+ to
+ do
+ with
+ it
+ and
+ the
+ tools
+ will
+ exist
+ for
+ them
+ to
+ do
+ more
+ with
+ it,
+ with
+ that
+ data
+ than
+ these
+ other
+ companies
+ could.
+ It's
+ just
+ like
+ it
+ was
+ with
+ personal
+ computing.
+
+
+ Jon:
+ and
+ when
+ you
+ kind
+ of
+ mobilize
+ a
+ world
+ task
+ force
+ of
+ paper
+ geeks
+ you
+ like
+ making
+ stuff.
+
+
+ Doug:
+ I
+ don't
+ think
+ we
+ need
+ technology
+ businesses
+ to
+ sit
+ there
+ and
+ vouch
+ for
+ people's
+ data.
+ That
+ seems
+ to
+ me
+ an
+ old
+ way
+ of
+ doing
+ things,
+ I
+ think
+ an
+ open
+ source
+ approach
+ with
+ five-star
+ accreditation
+ from
+ the
+ ODI
+ seems
+ a
+ good
+ way
+ forward.
+
+
+ Doc:
+ The
+ trap
+ not
+ to
+ fall
+ into
+ is
+ the
+ trap
+ of
+ fear
+ right
+ now,
+ and
+ we're
+ at
+ a
+ high
+ point
+ of
+ fear
+ thanks
+ to
+ Edward
+ Snowden,
+ thanks
+ to
+ discovering
+ what
+ the
+ NSA
+ and
+ the
+ US
+ has
+ been
+ doing,
+ and
+ what
+ GCHQ
+ here
+ has
+ been
+ doing.
+
+
+ Jason:
+ If
+ you
+ can
+ build
+ a
+ sneaky
+ feature
+ into
+ a
+ device,
+ and
+ you
+ decide
+ not
+ to
+ tell
+ the
+ user
+ you
+ decide
+ to
+ kind
+ of
+ break
+ the
+ law
+ a
+ bit,
+ certainly
+ in
+ data
+ protection
+ terms,
+ theres
+ a
+ real
+ risk
+ that
+ it
+ will
+ get
+ found
+ out.
+
+
+ Doc:
+ This
+ is
+ a
+ power
+ we
+ can
+ use
+ for
+ good
+ or
+ evil
+ and
+ probably
+ both,
+ but
+ we,
+ it's
+ present
+ in
+ the
+ world
+ now
+ and
+ we
+ have
+ to
+ figure
+ out
+ how
+ to
+ use
+ it.
+
+
+
+