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rolling functions #9
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As there was no feedback on the scope proposed by me in April, I made another step forward and defined it more precisely. Please have a look at the questions proposed. It is not easy, within 10 questions, to cover well all the possible features, so I ended up focusing on:
Looking forward to feedback on the scope for that test, or implementations in other software. |
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Instead of q10 UDF I would propose either:
From two options above I am in favor of Posting here before doing the change as I hope there may be some other ideas. edit: amended in 045b7d5 |
Other topics that are subject to community review are:
w = nrow(x)/1e3 ## used in 8 out of 10 questions
wsmall = nrow(x)/1e4 ## used q2
wbig = nrow(x)/1e2 ## used q3 In case of 1e9 data size, window size would be 1e6, which feels unrealistically big. I feel we could improve window sizes.
DT[["id2"]] = sort(sample(N*1.1, N)) ## index dense
DT[["id3"]] = sort(sample(N*2, N)) ## index sparse dense index is 110% range of nrow. |
@jangorecki you have a solid set of measures, the only other type I'd consider would be differencing |
I think it would be helpful if the dplyr test was documented as a representation of the slider package, as opposed to using RcppRoll. The dplyr benchmark has been confusing to me because you can use dplyr with duckdb or data.table. For data.table, it is more obvious that you are benchmarking the rolling functions inside the data.table package. |
@AdrianAntico that is an interesting idea, but as I briefly looked at potential implementation, it doesn't seem to stress windowing computation (use of @rdavis120 maintaining new solutions is relatively high cost, putting slider under dplyr was easy way to avoid that. Rather than adding new solution slider I would prefer to rename dplyr to tidyverse so it will fit well and there will be no need for adding another solution. Anyway I would prefer to keep this issue discussion around rolling task scope rather naming details. |
@jangorecki the intent was more time series related (and cross-row related). I have a diff function in my github package "Rodeo" if you want a full example, starting at line 443... https://github.com/AdrianAntico/Rodeo/blob/main/R/FeatureEngineering_CrossRowOperations.R |
@Tmonster could we get CI workflow approval? |
@Tmonster Is there a way that I could be approving CI runs? does it run on duckdblabs private runners? if not then I don't think there should be any concerns. I added pandas rollfun script, and (hopefully) fixed failure in previous GH Actions job. |
duckdb, spark, pandas q8 q9 only - do not have an option for handling properly an incomplete rolling window. Timings for those solutions will not include required postprocessing to match exactly same result (NULL vs value from an unexpected window size) as the overhead would be too big. |
Development is possibly finished on this branch. 5 solutions added till now have been validated using https://github.com/jangorecki/db-benchmark/blob/rollfun/_utils/rollfun-ans-validation.txt @bkamins if you would like to add Julia, you are welcome, please use commands from file linked above to validate answers against one of the solutions. Once I will confirm report is producing fine (after running whole rollfun bench) then PR will be ready to merge. |
@Tmonster PR is ready to merge To reproduce # install R and python
git clone https://github.com/jangorecki/db-benchmark --branch rollfun --single-branch --depth 1
cd db-benchmark
# install solutions interactively
./dplyr/setup-dplyr.sh
./datatable/setup-datatable.sh
./pandas/setup-pandas.sh
./duckdb-latest/setup-duckdb-latest.sh
./spark/setup-spark.sh
# prepare data
Rscript _data/rollfun-datagen.R 1e6 NA 0 1
Rscript _data/rollfun-datagen.R 1e7 NA 0 1
Rscript _data/rollfun-datagen.R 1e8 NA 0 1
mkdir data
mv R1_1e*_NA_0_1.csv data
vim run.conf
# do_upgrade false
# force run true
# report false
# publish false
# run_task rollfun
# run_solution data.table dplyr pandas duckdb-latest spark
sudo swapoff -a
# workaround for #30: `=~` matching in run.sh causes "duckdb-latest" to match "duckdb"
vim run.sh
# comment out 76 line in rush.sh: if [[ "$RUN_SOLUTIONS" =~ "duckdb" ]]; then ./duckdb/ver-duckdb.sh; fi;
./run.sh > ./run.out |
@Tmonster any idea if PR can make it to master before scheduled September's run? |
@Tmonster I recall getting an update on this but cannot find it here and in related issue. Could you please provide the status? I was about to suggest to push this forward, considering that duckdb advertised window functions performance improvements in duckdb 1.1 release: https://duckdb.org/2024/09/09/announcing-duckdb-110.html
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Hi @jangorecki , I can’t seem to find our previous discussion either for some reason. As for this PR, It has been our decision at DuckDB Labs to maintain the benchmark suite “as-is” when it comes to the tested functionality. The worry is that if we start expanding the questions the benchmark will develop into a “DuckDB Labs” benchmark, which is something we would like to prevent. You are happy to fork and extend it, however. |
@Tmonster is this because DuckDB doesn't do well on these operations? Shouldn't this be a reason to motive your team to improve the performance of these query types vs hiding the performance issue? |
@AdrianAntico I think there is no way for duckdb do be competitive in this kind of operations (that depends on the order of data) because it does not have a concept of physical order of data (clustered index). I believe it can be best in class among such tools although it won't really compete with tools that have clustered index. Therefore for time series it may not be ideal solution. Unless clustered index will make its way to duckdb, but that probably required change of data formats. |
@jangorecki it's such a common operation (windowing) that it's hard to consider DuckDB as a feasible option for everyday use without it. How was this overlooked from inception? |
It is not really question for me to answer, but I think duckdb aligned to existing sql rdbms'es in that regard which by default does not maintain order. Many of them do have clustered index but OLTP databases don't really need clustered index, it is OLAP that has much more to gain from it. Considering duckdb is OLAP then it feels to be a good FR for duckdb. |
As explained above - the original reason we decided to host the h2oai db-benchmark is because the original hosted version was no longer being updated, and had very outdated results using old versions of DuckDB and other tools. The goal of this project is to resurrect and maintain the db-benchmark as-is, but re-running it with new versions of different tools. Extending and changing the benchmark means we are no longer running the h2oai db-benchmark, but rather a DuckDB Labs customized version of the db-benchmark. This then comes with a lot of added work and drama - which benchmarks do you add, which do you not - together with potential accusations. What if we add a benchmark for which we perform better than system X? What if we don't add a benchmark where we perform worse than system X? As such, to avoid this drama, we have opted to only preserve the original benchmark rather than extend it. We are not trying to hide any performance issues. You are free to run any benchmarks of your own choosing using DuckDB. Our response to benchmarks has always been to take them and use them to improve the system. We have actually recently greatly improved our windowing lag performance in DuckDB v1.1.
This is not entirely true - and we are working on adding further optimizations that take better advantage of natural order in the data. The reason this hasn't been done in the past is that it is a lot harder to do so when working in a streaming engine that operates on larger-than-memory data, versus when working with in-memory arrays. In addition, the Window operator in SQL is a lot more extensive and complex than what is generally provided in DataFrame libraries. |
Very happy to hear about incoming optimizations. It is actually a great news to run window functions on out of memory data! |
For those who are wondering about actual timings I presented them earlier this year in my slides. |
draft version for rolling functions requested in #6
we can define scope for those tests here. Some are already there, others only mentioned in comments
PR roadmap:
optionally: test scripts and validate results:
rolling functions not available in: